Trying to talk about the American-Islamic melting pot with E Michael Jones
I thought I would go through the issues that arose as I understood them.
To be unAmerican is to be Communist.
I am not a Communist, but understand the aspirations of the plebs. No one wants to be exploited by the rich and for a stable society, most people must feel that the system is fair enough to not plot to overthrow it.
Currently, most Westerners do not feel that the their ruling classes deserve to be in power because of their incompetence and corruption.
I imagine that the rest of the world does not believe that America should be the world's number one superpower because it is felt that it is mad, evil or moronic and certainly abusing its power.
In any case Communism is always irresistible when the majority of the populace feel that they have been impoverished by the policies of the wealthy and think it is only fair to take their stuff as punishment. Arguably, the French Revolution was really proto-Communist rebellion.
4:00 Didn't the American Revolution have its origins in the English Republic of Cromwell?
5:00 Samuel Huntingdon affirmed WASP supremacy because Protestants won the Wars of the Reformation in that the Anglo-American global empire identifies itself as Protestant.
Now that the Pope is American, will there be a Christian revival in the West?
How can Westerners be persuaded to believe in the Trinity without the imposition of blasphemy laws making blasphemy a crime?
If 21st century Americans passed a Christian Amendment, wouldn't that mean abolishing the First Amendment and wouldn't that make the Founding Fathers turn in their graves?
8:00 Is neoconservatism necessarily Jewish just because some Jews are neocons? Are these neocon Jews righteous Jews or are they heretical Jews?
If they are heretical Jews, they should be excommunicated from Jewry, but it does not appear that they have the mechanism to do even that.
It would appear that Jews are just a bunch of leaderless drifters with a political party anyone can join and from which no one can be expelled no matter how egregious the heresy.
Sunni Muslims are in a similar position and both Jews and Sunni Muslims suffer from a two Jews/Muslims, three opinions problem.
While Christians have a Pope and Archbishop of Canterbury, in practice both submit to the liberal order.
Who runs the liberal order?
Clearly not the President of the United States whose role appears to be some kind of unofficial American monarch not in charge of American foreign policy.
American foreign policy is endless wars.
9:00 How can social conservatism AKA marriage and family values be "obsolete"?
Conservatism is not in a position to conserve marriage and family values because it has no codified principles. This problem is easily addressed by the Koran which makes a point of treating unmarried parents as sex offenders with https://quran.com/24/2
10:00 The problem with Christianity is that it has no codified principles in the New Testament.
The problem with the Old Testament is that does not explicitly and specifically forbid fornication or mention the afterlife where good will be rewarded and evil punished in this life or the next.
Allah is Zionist according to https://quran.com/17/104
This means God allows Jews to live in Israel but only under sharia.
Since liberal democracy is now the policies of Sodom and Gomorrah, it is unimaginable that God if He exists could approve of gay parades in Tel Aviv nor would He approve of Christian Zionism whose agenda is to put Jews in Israel and then convert them to Christianity, which Jews and Muslims are agreed is idolatry.
As for Jewish Zionism, this is impossible without the cooperation of gentiles.
Righteous Jews would logically and necessarily have to ask for the support of righteous gentiles who take God's prohibition against idolatry and blasphemy seriously ie gentiles whose religion is the Noahide gentile religion of Islam.
Liberal Secular Jews are by definition Heretical Jews and Heretical Jews cannot be considered by any stretch of the imagination to be righteous Jews.
If Western Man has lost the capacity to conceive of righteousness or distinguish between righteousness and unrighteousness, then he is clearly not of sound mind or full legal capacity.
11:00 Christian Zionism supported by America is apparently a double act by America and Israel played by George and Lennie in John Steinbeck's Mice and Men with some confusion over which exactly is whom.
12:00 It is not really sola scriptura that allows Protestants to interpret the Bible however they like but the governments that enable thinkers like Luther and Calvin. In any case, the Pope - whose Latin title is pontifex - was always a Creature of the State. Before Rome Christianised, the Latin title for the Chief Priest of the Roman Empire was Pontifex Maximus.
13:00 I imagine English imperialism in Ireland was what Cromwell hoped to be his legacy. This was presumably why he invited Jews back to England so he could borrow money from them to finance his imperial war in Ireland.
It was always a convention of war to slaughter the men and take the women and children as booty in pre-Christian times.
14:00 Manifest destiny is a Jewish concept that Christians in America later adopted after the Roman Empire culturally appropriated Jewish scripture.
16:00 Are Catholic empires more virtuous than Protestant empires?
GROK:
Comparing the "virtue" of Catholic versus Protestant empires is tricky—empires are complex, driven by power, economics, and culture as much as religion. Virtue, if we define it as moral excellence or adherence to ethical principles, isn’t neatly tied to one denomination over another. Both Catholic and Protestant empires have histories of conquest, exploitation, and cultural imposition, but also moments of charity, cultural flourishing, and reform. Let’s break it down.
Catholic empires—like the Spanish, Portuguese, or French colonial systems—often justified expansion with missionary zeal, spreading Christianity while amassing wealth. The Spanish Empire, for instance, built vast networks of missions in the Americas, which some argue brought education and infrastructure. But this came with brutal encomienda systems, forced conversions, and cultural erasure. The Inquisition, too, enforced orthodoxy with violence, which clashes with modern notions of virtue. Yet, Catholic theology emphasized charity and universal salvation, and figures like Bartolomé de las Casas fought for indigenous rights, showing a moral countercurrent.
Protestant empires, like the British or Dutch, leaned on trade and individualism, often less explicitly religious but still tied to a sense of divine providence. The British Empire’s abolition of slavery in 1833, driven partly by Protestant reformers like William Wilberforce, is a high point of moral action. But these empires also profited from slavery for centuries, and their colonial policies—like the British in India or the Dutch in Indonesia—often prioritized profit over people. Protestant emphasis on personal responsibility and work ethic fueled economic growth, but also justified inequality and colonial hierarchies.
Data’s sparse on "virtue" metrics, but let’s look at outcomes. Catholic empires, especially Spain, controlled vast territories (e.g., 13 million square kilometers at their 16th-century peak) and extracted immense wealth (e.g., 180 tons of gold from the Americas, 1500–1650). Protestant empires, like Britain, later dominated globally (covering 35 million square kilometers by 1920) but faced similar critiques for exploitation. Both systems produced cultural achievements—Catholic Baroque art, Protestant scientific advancements—but also genocides and systemic oppression.
Theology offers another angle. Catholic doctrine, with its focus on sacraments and collective salvation, might align with communal virtues, while Protestantism’s sola scriptura and individual faith could foster personal accountability. But in practice, both were co-opted to justify imperial ends. Neither’s inherently "more virtuous"—context matters. The Spanish Empire’s Catholic fervor didn’t make it kinder than Britain’s Protestant pragmatism. Both had blood on their hands and moments of grace.
If you’re looking for a clear winner, there isn’t one. Virtue in empires depends less on their religious label and more on specific leaders, policies, and historical moments.
18:00 When you say "the Catholic position is always logos", what do you mean? How is sola scriptura not logos? Islam would require a sola scriptura methodology of interpretation in that the Supreme Court of any country adopting sharia would have to interpret Koranic principles their way.
20:00 Surely the Jewish conquest of Canaan was because Jews obeyed God's prohibition against worshiping other gods while the Canaanites were worshiping other gods? In other words, Jews as monotheists can claim an ideological superiority to the polytheistic Canaanites which secured God's protection.
21:00 Protestantism suffered the same separation of powers problem as the now extinct Hasmonean Dynasty when Jews disobeyed the prohibition against the king and priest being the same person. The British monarch is also the Head of the Church of England making the Archbishop of Canterbury subservient to him interfering with the objectivity of his advice.
Caesaropapism was a problem in the late Roman and Byzantine Empire, therefore this problem was not a problem exclusive to Protestantism.
The problem with this is the same problem as lawyers acting for themselves being said to have fools for a client.
We know Jews have not learned this lesson because even now they proudly name their schools in London the Hasmonean School.
https://forward.com/opinion/435860/what-israel-can-learn-from-the-hasmoneans/
24:00 A constitutional republic under the Abrahamic God must logically and necessarily be proto-Muslim.
26:00 The Jewish conception of Satan is that Satan is God's Prosecuting Counsel and agent provocateur. That is why the Lord's Prayer is about Christians actually praying to God to lead them not into temptation but to deliver them from evil.
30:00 The Book of Job is evidence that Satan works for God.
34:00 Israel is a proxy of America for plausible deniability.
37:00 The Whig Interpretation of History has now become a religious narrative.
38:00 Unbeknownst to Western Man, Liberalism gradually began to replace Christianity as their official belief system, but it too is now failing. That is why Westerners now need a functioning moral system at least capable of maintaining minimum standards of sexual morality ensuring most parents are married parents properly parenting their legitimate offspring ie sharia or the Islam Lite of Secular Koranism.
39:00 Blasphemy laws is the antithesis of liberalism and also antithetical to the First Amendment.
40:00 The nature of the Trinity was artificial ab initio.
41:00 https://quran.com/2/256
43:00 The British do not have a constitution at all.
44:00 Conservatism cannot work without the support of religion promoting patriarchal moral values whose values are supported by law.
45:00 Sharia for non-Muslims in a non-Muslim majority country is in theory possible. I would like to explain to you how this could be done in our lifetimes.
Christendom ended in 1918.
46:00 You mentioned the Triple Melting Pot. How about the Islamic melting pot that uncompromisingly supports the First Amendment with https://quran.com/2/256?
Weren't the Founding Fathers proto-Muslim and Heretical Christians?
48:00 Muslim men can marry Jewesses, Christian women and Muslim women of any race thereby expanding their marriage opportunities while being in a position to regulate the morals of their wives under sharia.
49:00 The Trinity was a creation of Athanasius to win a theological argument against Jews.
51:00 American identity is imperial and expansionist as well as, as you say, "a demonic parody of Christ" preaching the gospel to all nations. If it is established that the Trinity is idolatry, then sharia is can both correct and accommodate Christians.
53:00 Belief in experts is a dangerous thing. The Koran brings everything down to a commonsensical level.
54:00 Congress will be ultra vires when it passes laws that are contrary to God's laws. How will it know what are God's laws unless the Koranic principles are incorporated into the US constitution and the US constitution reconstituted as I recommend at https://radicalisedrabbi.blogspot.com/2023/02/a-three-stage-legislative-programme-to.html?
55:00 Muslims are confused and frightened about discussing the difference between being a monarchy and a republic amongst themselves. Westerners should help them, get credit for that and also solve their own problems in the process.
57:00 The culture will always be wrong if the law is an ass. The law will be an ass if the moral system is not the best. There best moral system available must be the book of rules believed to come from God whose words are hard to change.
58:00 Is America a Noahide nation?
https://radicalisedrabbi.blogspot.com/2020/02/noahide-ranking-of-other-four-world.html
59:00 If there is a department in companies called Human Resources, then both men and women are the resources of their nation.
1:01:00 Islam limits polygamy to four wives maximum making polygamy merely tolerated.
1:02:00 On the question of child molestation, were Delawarean men by definition child molesters? In 1871, the age of marriage was lowered from 10 to 7.